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		<title>By: Bruce Percy</title>
		<link>http://www.brucepercy.co.uk/blog/2009/08/08/last-indian-portrait/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Percy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam,

All I can say is - it&#039;s art, and therefore is highly subjective. For instance, I find that some of my personal favourite images are not what others prefer. So I&#039;m often surprised that images I felt were &#039;good, but not my best&#039; are considered very highly by others.

I can&#039;t analyze it too much, even though I&#039;m terrible at over-analyzing most things in my life, such as relationships for example. I guess being an arty person since a Kid, I just go with what feels right at the time and I&#039;ve learned to not look back too much. Sometimes I find my work wasn&#039;t as satisfactory as I thought it was, but that&#039;s perhaps the sign of me moving on, or changing.

It would be folly of me to suggest that there is one photographer out there who knows exactly what he&#039;s getting when he presses the shutter. If you find one - he&#039;s lying, or is deceiving himself and you too.

Perhaps your analogy of diving for perls is right. I&#039;m don&#039;t really know - I find it hard often to put into words the why&#039;s and hows. All I can do is explain how I was feeling, why I made the decision I made for each photo, and show others how I do what I do. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a right or wrong way. But more often, I do feel that photography is 95% emotional art, and 5% technical. I don&#039;t get the gear-head mentality at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam,</p>
<p>All I can say is &#8211; it&#8217;s art, and therefore is highly subjective. For instance, I find that some of my personal favourite images are not what others prefer. So I&#8217;m often surprised that images I felt were &#8216;good, but not my best&#8217; are considered very highly by others.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t analyze it too much, even though I&#8217;m terrible at over-analyzing most things in my life, such as relationships for example. I guess being an arty person since a Kid, I just go with what feels right at the time and I&#8217;ve learned to not look back too much. Sometimes I find my work wasn&#8217;t as satisfactory as I thought it was, but that&#8217;s perhaps the sign of me moving on, or changing.</p>
<p>It would be folly of me to suggest that there is one photographer out there who knows exactly what he&#8217;s getting when he presses the shutter. If you find one &#8211; he&#8217;s lying, or is deceiving himself and you too.</p>
<p>Perhaps your analogy of diving for perls is right. I&#8217;m don&#8217;t really know &#8211; I find it hard often to put into words the why&#8217;s and hows. All I can do is explain how I was feeling, why I made the decision I made for each photo, and show others how I do what I do. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a right or wrong way. But more often, I do feel that photography is 95% emotional art, and 5% technical. I don&#8217;t get the gear-head mentality at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Blair</title>
		<link>http://www.brucepercy.co.uk/blog/2009/08/08/last-indian-portrait/comment-page-1/#comment-456</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, Thanks for the input, and good thoughts. The Bolivian discussion was also helpful. 

I&#039;m intriqued by the fact that you still get images back that at times exceed your expectations because &quot;something happened and  I&#039;m not sure what I did or how to recapture it&quot;. 

Perhaps I&#039;m being too cerebral about it,(the curse of a trial lawyer) but it&#039;s that spark, that rare combustion from the entire creative process that fascinates me. Maybe it&#039;s when an image crosses the line from craft to art. Michelangelo said he would see an image within a block of marble, and then it was just a matter of chipping off the fragments that were not part of the visualized image. The visualization and the end product were matched exactly. 

How do you achieve that in photography more  often?  What makes it happen? If those questions were easily  answered, then we would all be Michelangelos, eh? But still, the endless search for answers is necessary, I think, to effectively communicate visually whatever the scene evoked within us. 

Again, learning the way you do it is very helpful, so thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, Thanks for the input, and good thoughts. The Bolivian discussion was also helpful. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m intriqued by the fact that you still get images back that at times exceed your expectations because &#8220;something happened and  I&#8217;m not sure what I did or how to recapture it&#8221;. </p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m being too cerebral about it,(the curse of a trial lawyer) but it&#8217;s that spark, that rare combustion from the entire creative process that fascinates me. Maybe it&#8217;s when an image crosses the line from craft to art. Michelangelo said he would see an image within a block of marble, and then it was just a matter of chipping off the fragments that were not part of the visualized image. The visualization and the end product were matched exactly. </p>
<p>How do you achieve that in photography more  often?  What makes it happen? If those questions were easily  answered, then we would all be Michelangelos, eh? But still, the endless search for answers is necessary, I think, to effectively communicate visually whatever the scene evoked within us. </p>
<p>Again, learning the way you do it is very helpful, so thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Percy</title>
		<link>http://www.brucepercy.co.uk/blog/2009/08/08/last-indian-portrait/comment-page-1/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Percy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam,

There were a few more points in your post that I&#039;d like to discuss.

You say you feel you may be hypercritical of your own work. I haven&#039;t seen your work yet, but there&#039;s nothing wrong in having a high degree of quality-control. But I think some of us are just never happy with what we do, so maybe you suffer from giving yourself a hard time. I don&#039;t know as I haven&#039;t seen your work.

The other aspect is that if you haven&#039;t developed your own style or &#039;voice&#039;, then it&#039;s all too easy to compare your work with that of others and think it&#039;s not good enough, when in fact, it&#039;s just not the same. It never will be. You shoot Sam images, Steve McCurry shoots Steve McCurry images. 

If your expectations are high because you are judging your own imagery by comparing it to someone elses work - then don&#039;t. 

But if you feel, know deep down inside that a particular image doesn&#039;t work, and you&#039;re being objective about it - then believe that and just accept that this is your &#039;standard&#039;.

I&#039;m not too critical of my own work. I feel I&#039;m able to distance myself from my work very quickly, and for that, I&#039;m able to be objective. If an image sucks, I soon forget about it and cast it out. If an image was so close to working for me, but there&#039;s something still unsettling about it - that too gets thrown out too. I&#039;ve set my own standard and I just have to accept that I can&#039;t afford to be too precious about what I do. Some days I&#039;ll lose, some days I&#039;ll win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam,</p>
<p>There were a few more points in your post that I&#8217;d like to discuss.</p>
<p>You say you feel you may be hypercritical of your own work. I haven&#8217;t seen your work yet, but there&#8217;s nothing wrong in having a high degree of quality-control. But I think some of us are just never happy with what we do, so maybe you suffer from giving yourself a hard time. I don&#8217;t know as I haven&#8217;t seen your work.</p>
<p>The other aspect is that if you haven&#8217;t developed your own style or &#8216;voice&#8217;, then it&#8217;s all too easy to compare your work with that of others and think it&#8217;s not good enough, when in fact, it&#8217;s just not the same. It never will be. You shoot Sam images, Steve McCurry shoots Steve McCurry images. </p>
<p>If your expectations are high because you are judging your own imagery by comparing it to someone elses work &#8211; then don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>But if you feel, know deep down inside that a particular image doesn&#8217;t work, and you&#8217;re being objective about it &#8211; then believe that and just accept that this is your &#8217;standard&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not too critical of my own work. I feel I&#8217;m able to distance myself from my work very quickly, and for that, I&#8217;m able to be objective. If an image sucks, I soon forget about it and cast it out. If an image was so close to working for me, but there&#8217;s something still unsettling about it &#8211; that too gets thrown out too. I&#8217;ve set my own standard and I just have to accept that I can&#8217;t afford to be too precious about what I do. Some days I&#8217;ll lose, some days I&#8217;ll win.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Percy</title>
		<link>http://www.brucepercy.co.uk/blog/2009/08/08/last-indian-portrait/comment-page-1/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Percy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam,

I&#039;ve covered this previously when I published my Bolivian portfolio. If you have a look under the Bolivian tag, there should be a contact sheet and a description of my work flow.

But to say it quickly - I shoot a lot, I&#039;m not sloppy, each image is taken because I &#039;felt&#039; something. I just have very high standards and I&#039;m not prepared to let images out that are good, but could have been better. I also have to think about the medium also. People have short attention spans on the web, so if I published 80 images of India, folk would get bored before they&#039;d got half way through..... I still feel 40 images from India is too much for people to digest in one sitting, so I&#039;m probably going to be ruthless and whittle it down to an even smaller number.

My hit rate when I shoot is quite good. I&#039;d say for every roll of film, I get around 4 good images. Every 10 rolls of film, I get one or two really-good shots. But I&#039;ve been shooting a lot of images for a while, and I know my own style and what works for me. I also know what I want. Many don&#039;t. A lot of people out there are casual shooters. Some aren&#039;t sure what they like to shoot. I&#039;m rather specific. I&#039;m a landscape and travel/portraiture photographer. There&#039;s a certain look I&#039;m after.

Perl diving suggests that photography is a bit of a pot-luck endeavor. It certainly starts that way for us all, but as time, technique and talent are grown, it should become less so. I feel it&#039;s more like a game of golf perhaps. Some days I just nail it and I&#039;m consistent. Other days I find that I just don&#039;t seem to be able to pull off what I was wanting to achieve. Then there are those shots that I get back from the lab and I stare at them because they have exceeded my expectations.... something happened and I&#039;m not sure what it was I did, or how to recapture it, to keep the quality up so high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve covered this previously when I published my Bolivian portfolio. If you have a look under the Bolivian tag, there should be a contact sheet and a description of my work flow.</p>
<p>But to say it quickly &#8211; I shoot a lot, I&#8217;m not sloppy, each image is taken because I &#8216;felt&#8217; something. I just have very high standards and I&#8217;m not prepared to let images out that are good, but could have been better. I also have to think about the medium also. People have short attention spans on the web, so if I published 80 images of India, folk would get bored before they&#8217;d got half way through&#8230;.. I still feel 40 images from India is too much for people to digest in one sitting, so I&#8217;m probably going to be ruthless and whittle it down to an even smaller number.</p>
<p>My hit rate when I shoot is quite good. I&#8217;d say for every roll of film, I get around 4 good images. Every 10 rolls of film, I get one or two really-good shots. But I&#8217;ve been shooting a lot of images for a while, and I know my own style and what works for me. I also know what I want. Many don&#8217;t. A lot of people out there are casual shooters. Some aren&#8217;t sure what they like to shoot. I&#8217;m rather specific. I&#8217;m a landscape and travel/portraiture photographer. There&#8217;s a certain look I&#8217;m after.</p>
<p>Perl diving suggests that photography is a bit of a pot-luck endeavor. It certainly starts that way for us all, but as time, technique and talent are grown, it should become less so. I feel it&#8217;s more like a game of golf perhaps. Some days I just nail it and I&#8217;m consistent. Other days I find that I just don&#8217;t seem to be able to pull off what I was wanting to achieve. Then there are those shots that I get back from the lab and I stare at them because they have exceeded my expectations&#8230;. something happened and I&#8217;m not sure what it was I did, or how to recapture it, to keep the quality up so high.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Blair</title>
		<link>http://www.brucepercy.co.uk/blog/2009/08/08/last-indian-portrait/comment-page-1/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bruce, I&#039;m interested in your take on realistic expectations for &quot;keepers&quot;, as I tend to be hypercritical of my own work. You shot 99 rolls, but put only 43 images in your India Portfolio, maybe 1%. Presumably these are the ones that most met your standards for excellence.

I heard Rick Sammons say if he came back from a travel shoot with 10-12 really good images he was happy.

Scott Kelby wrote recently that if he got one 
&quot;wall hanger&quot; out out 240 shots he&#039;d be thrilled, (less than 1%).

All that makes me feel better. Should it?  Are we like pearl divers, acknowledging that most of what we bring up will not be what we were looking for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bruce, I&#8217;m interested in your take on realistic expectations for &#8220;keepers&#8221;, as I tend to be hypercritical of my own work. You shot 99 rolls, but put only 43 images in your India Portfolio, maybe 1%. Presumably these are the ones that most met your standards for excellence.</p>
<p>I heard Rick Sammons say if he came back from a travel shoot with 10-12 really good images he was happy.</p>
<p>Scott Kelby wrote recently that if he got one<br />
&#8220;wall hanger&#8221; out out 240 shots he&#8217;d be thrilled, (less than 1%).</p>
<p>All that makes me feel better. Should it?  Are we like pearl divers, acknowledging that most of what we bring up will not be what we were looking for?</p>
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